Its that whistle he uses to signal Loki. Occupation: Executive director, YWCA of Asheville. But its done in this subtly disorienting way to make you have a sense of, Waitwho was that guy and then hopefully figure it out and have an ah-ha! Her character is the embodiment of the spiritual crisis the Joneses hope to enact. And I also found this thread by Chris by chance. When you realize one of the names has a deeper meaning, it leads to the question: Do the rest of the names have meaning? This brings us back to Grace and Loki and Dover and Birch, etc. I noticed this strange bit of dialogue from Loki: You know IF YOU KNOW something Holly Deane-Johns, 51, was subjected to the awful living conditions while serving time at Lardyao Women's Correctional Institution. So the next best thing was to imprison him? She brings him to a hole underneath a car, forcing him in, shooting him in the leg and leaving him there. Yet he still lives with Holly. The characters are great. I believe that Loki will find and rescue Keller because: 1. | Bob Taylor survived his abduction but cant move beyond the trauma of it. Will Franklin and his wife have to testify against Keller for amnesty, because they were part of Alexs torture too. Because its complicated. Everyone describes Alex as pretty internal and passive, but I wonder if (in his own traumatized and child-like way) he is trying to break out of the maze! Grace originated, as a word, in France in the 1200s and soon after had a firm association with Christianity and the idea of virtue and receiving the favor of God. Theres an extreme cognitive dissonance that Franklin struggles with. In the scene in which Prisoners, directed by sci-fi movie master Denis Villeneuve, reveals that Holly was responsible for the kidnapping, it is also revealed that Taylor was a former victim of the Jones' that actually escaped, and Holly forgot he existed until he appeared in the news. Alex suffered so hes kind of relishing in causing someone else to hurt. Other questions. Alex might have just been referring to Hollys husband who did go missing and who Holly and Alex were both wondering if hed ever come back. She was portrayed by Melissa Leo, who also playedSally in Oblivion. Rest In Peace Holly. He needs someone like Loki to be there at the right place and time! So while Alex not confessing what happened to Keller could seem crazy, its in-line with how Prisoners shows other victims of abduction struggling to express themselves. He would not have known where to find the stuff. The pause on Netflix is infuriating. Did Hollys husband have more dirt on the priest that could have gotten him in more trouble? A lot of hot-headed guys losing their minds and screwing things up in this movie. Our Solicitors and Barristers - Reeds Solicitors Home > Our People Our People Reset Filters Abbie Blake Caseworker Adam Makepeace COLP Adam Orchard Senior Caseworker Alan Ridler Police Federation Manager, Criminal Law, Regulation and Professional Discipline Alexa Clement Solicitor & Team Leader Alison Page Chartered Legal Executive Amalia Davis Why isnt the aunts house and grounds searched with dogs? Their pain turns to anger at God, as such tragedy must have been His will. Not what was actually going on. Thanks. The exact opposite of what you would expect him to do based on what you know about his religion. After the shocking events of The Stolen Heir, Prince Oak is in deeper trouble than ever before. With the motifs in mind, we can finally get to what I think is the most interesting thing about Prisoners. Barry was kept by Holly, where she renamed him Alex and told him she was his aunt. Which creates that idea of the loop. So you imagine theyd be wearing gloves when they went out again. Replace the fridge with the old car. Awesome article Chris and I love that youre still replying to people after all this time! Cant remember. They dont explain it outright, but its inferred that Alexs real name had been Barry Coyler and that he had grown up in the house that the RV was parked in front of. But if the kid WAS named Alex, I think Barry/Alex is saying that when he was a kid, the Joneses lured him to their house by asking if Barry wanted to play with their son. Tormenting those families we have Holly Jones. While Norse mythology roots in paganism and associates with the natural world. The girls would have died if Alex was home. Themes are developed through motifs. Thanks for reading it all! Declaring it likely that the girls are dead, the parents and Detective Loki all but give-up when Bob commits suicide. She feels God is anything but gracious. Join Facebook to connect with Holly Jones and others you may know. Instead, it gives you a pile of puzzle pieces. But Anna still clings to her whistlea symbol of her fathers protection because I believe that he is still the hero in her life. I never caught what was said in the newspaper. What if deep down he DOES want her to go to jail! Loved this article it was very educational and breaks down the film in the easily digestible way you mentioned, you untangled this maze of a movie! Thank you for explaining this! Keller tells Ralph he isnt allowed to leave the house, he has to be an adult stay home and make sure Grace doesnt see the news. Excellent insight, Jasmine! The girl saw him or heard him though he didnt see the girl. And they are linked with this idea of necessary violence.. So, Loki had been investigating the house that the RV was parked in front of and he found out it was once the home of a couple whose son, Barry Coyler, went missing. That they represent Holly, right, as a tempter. Duct tape: I think were supposed to accept it lol. The Joneses were unhinged serial killers. At the end the news paper article said he was found and reunited with his family so he was alive, it seemed like a death notice to me too until I saw that. Check your email or visit the Flickr blog for more information to celebrate your 2022 on Flickr. When I say faith in the police, keep in mind that Loki is the detective. Diego. As well as confusion about who they really whereid also venture to guess that abuse was also a big part of the experience as you also mentionedso a confused prison of the mind. We also see that Alex and Bob face a diminution in their ability to express themselves, in speech or otherwise (of which, I am convinced the actors mustve studied the behaviour of those experiencing anxiety or other trauma, as the accuracy is unnerving). Prisoners puts that concept onto how people struggle to work through and escape from their traumas. But the CSI experts would surely have noticed if the van had been cleaned very recently, and that small detail would have been suspicious as well. One interesting thing Ive noticed is that usually the highest quality movies find a way to distill their themes or narrative in the opening shot/scene. 2 weeks? Texas Department of Criminal Justice | PO Box 99 | Huntsville, Texas 77342-0099 | (936) 295-6371 What happened to Alex after Loki found him? Take revenge on God for killing her son by kidnapping other people's children (partially succeeded).Kill Loki and any other interfering witnesses (failed). Perhaps it was intended to reflect his personality, peaceable in normal situations, but with a killer instinct ready to take over when pushed by circumstances. I have kids and if they were ever kidnapped I would pick them being killed than for them to do what Alex did. I shall watch it again. Residence: Asheville. It is an experience that invites us to peel off the layers and try to make meaning from its moving images. One detail I noticed that adds to the religious motif is that Loki is actually his last name and his first name is David that we see at the end of the film in the newspaper article Barry Milland AKA Alex Jones is reunited with family after 26 year. Top Holly Jones Prisoners Quotes As long as there is poverty in this world, no man can be totally rich even if he has a billion dollars. But then midway through the movie, Keller Dover kidnaps Alex Jones and keeps Alex prisoner. I would love to hear your take on the current covid crisis and response. Which is why he ends up taking his own life. We only know that from Kellers dream, right? 26 Jan 2023 14:55:21 Great minds. I dont think its entirely unrealistic. She has documented her whole story in a book named "Holly's Hell - My Long Journey Home" with the hopes of one day sharing it with others. I have made a discovery of hidden symbols in movies. To talk about Prisoners, it helps if we un-maze the story by laying out its key events in chronological order. Wow, I suppose Im late to the party because I only just watched it on Netflix. So hes doing what he should do and giving her a chance to surrender. Which would therefore create a maze of the mind and memories. How did he get to Hollys house? Just one quick question, why the hunting scene at the beginning? Superintendent's Fax (601) 664-0782. I thought, must be good. Tired of all the brainwashed/braindead people out thereneed to know there are people out there figuring this out like RFK jr. So, maybe after recalling what Annas mother said, he might be able to link that to the sound of the whistle at Hollys house and try to find Keller. A maze without an exit. The abusers can only shake their fist at God so long as they assume that all the parents they abduct the children from will have the same re-action to their loss as they did. Possible, but as a main oremise it seems a bit thin. Or Fight Club deals with the mind and the opening credits occur while the camera travels through the main characters brain and out a poor of their forehead. (Though it is mentioned it was a small accident, and that Alex was merely afraid of them.) He was subsequently killed by the priest, who threw the body into the church's basement. Takes them both to work out the solution. Additionally, this would explain the necklace. Yell from a distance to freeze: So you can say you said it. Hobby Does no one in Hollywood understand these simple things or are they such standard props that we are supposed to accept them knowing full well how ludicrous they are? Plus, excellent point that they wouldnt just jump to Oh! Compare this to other crime thrillers like Silence of the Lambs or Seven or Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. Alex couldnt do anything to Loki, but when Keller comes barging in and grabs AlexAlex could hurt Keller. Sat, 21 Jun 2003. But I think most of what you said in Prisoners is within the realm of acceptable. The album finishes with the very first line from the first song: So I was takin a walk the other day Its a line that begins a situation where Kendrick gets shot and killed. Excellent review, I enjoyed reading the things I understood, as well as the details I missed out on. We know the girls were interested in the van. How do you know the Birchs house is Alexs old house? My questions is- the only reason Loki is at the fathers house is because hes investigating level 3 sex offenders. Maybe all of this is in reference to him being the best detective they have and always is able to close the case. What if he was like the sex offender priest, who thought no one would believe him if he spoke out, so the priest thought that only HE could stop Hollys husband the way that he did! Who was he waiting for? The s**cide of Dover Sr definitely is the reason why Keller doesnt want to renovate his childhood home and adds another layer to that house where Alex is eventually imprisoned. Popular depiction has Loki as a trickster. These snake-handlers believe that God will reward their faith by making them immune to snake venom And yet their son dies of cancer. Holly offers Keller tea, which would probably be drugged (we later see she kept a jar of drugged liquid in the fridge). She reveals that she heard Keller while she was held captive. On Friday, Briere was charged with abducting, murdering and dismembering 10-year-old Holly Jones (shown), some of whose body parts were found May 13 in two pieces of luggage in water in two . Full Name Mini Major Victory At Olympia '08 For Ellen Whitaker & Holly Jones. Yeah, I think I need to amend it a bit to add the consideration that part of Alex enjoys hurting Keller. She had been jailed for trying to post 10.4g of heroin back to . His real parents are the prisoners. Loved the movie and this thread, and its not like me to concentrate for two hours on a film. -Prisons (physical, emotional, mental, spiritual)-Mazes-Religion. The little girls are not the same (one clings to her mother for dear life and the other is stoic)? We do that by identifying in-roads, understanding their implications, then arriving at a conclusion. Holly Road 704-461-6200 704-461-6236 . By leaving that choice in our hands, the film becomes a moment of reflection, of confrontation. Avatar is kind of similar. We know this for a few reasons. While Lokis faith in following signs guides him right to the imprisoned Keller. Seem to climb to make headway and then slide down again but eventually someone wins the game each time played unless game abandoned. Barely existing. Absolutely brilliant analysis, I wouldnt ne surprised if it is the best lne there is. Theres a second Alex in Prisoners. Thanks for the excellent analysis. Das Drehbuch schrieb Aaron Guzikowski. Watching the movie for the first time, I noticed that Loki was also non-communicative at times, especially around the parents. But his job is not straightforward as Keller, Anna's father is restless in the pursuit of his daughter and kickstarts his own investigation into her disappearance. To find an inmate, please enter the name OR the ID number, and then click the SEARCH button. I thought that the casting and acting were the weakest part of the film. Like his sister, Jones has studied Chinese as well. The pair began kidnapping children to turn the parents into 'demons' as they called it, forcing them to lose their mind and faith like they did. He was a fundamentalist, right? Thats Bob Taylor, one of the many children Holly and her husband had abducted.