Im curious. ^ this. For those of you wondering which Irish family names are most-popular today, your wait is finally over! There is a very large difference between the two terms and are often conflated. This is a damn sight different than chattel slavery. Since the black slavery prevailed, likely it was worse. The Irish were brought over as indentured servants. There is much debate over the original meaning of the term black Irish. In a generation where so much information is consumed via hearsay or processed by means of social media, oftentimes, we can forget to dig into research like in the old days. They served for an agreed amount of time (usually seven years), the agreements were not always honored. Adam and Eves bloodline was where JESUS came through, if people only knew this all this hatred for each other skin color would not exist. This was about 14% of all the recorded Kelley's in USA. Early Origins of the Black family. When Blacks succeeded in creating wealth and communities that allowed Blacks to have good lives, they were systematically destroyed by angry envious bigoted white people of every background including Irish. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. It was prophesied that our people would go into slavery on ships because we broke Gods commandments. Close, youd do well in not stopping there. Black Name Meaning English and Scottish: chiefly from Middle English blak (e) 'black' (Old English blc blaca) a nickname given from the earliest times to a swarthy or dark-haired man. Irelands population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Please stop, bad mouthing people, that sacrifice their time to look through many books to put stories together in order to bring us something new. If you look at it carefully enough, you will see how the Irish escaped their persecution and went into the hills to make their own way, and still do. One of the most famous Wilsons is actor Owen Wilson, as well as 28th president of the United States Woodrow Wilson. Regardless of the disputable facts of this particular article; Whites have been/are subjected to same level of cruel slavery as well. Working is a choice and they get paid for their work. Doyle 13. Indentured servitude did not last as long as or was as vast as outright chattel race based life long slavery in America. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. Where are the runaway slave notices posted for Irish slaves (as there were for black slaves)? Top 100 Irish surnames in Ireland: 1. The term "Black Irish" has also been applied to the descendants of Irish emigrants who settled in the West Indies. The point that you all seem to be continually missing is that AT THE TIME Irish people werent considered to be white. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. Surname Origin Irish Last Names Irish Last Names L. Elizabeth Forry Updated: July 29, 2022 Find your Irish last name and learn about its meaning and origins on this list of popular Irish surnames. There were no Irish people born in America as a slave based on their mother being a slave. One such example is that of the hundreds of thousands of Irish peasants who emigrated to America after the Great Famine of 1845 to 1849. Blacks are still enslaving one another and so are Whites, it needs to stop. This, by the way, is why Malcolm Little became "Malcolm X". What is Black? These are not the same. 2. On This Day: Arthur Guinness, founder of the Dublin brewery, died in 1803. Reblogged this on Simply Etta D. and commented: All of the people I have ever met with the last name Orr have been white, Im a brown girl. The Irish in this group would be the ones who were protestant (sometimes referred to as Scot-Irish) and were pro-England. Slaves were never considered to be humans, but rather, chattel, and were subject to the whoms of their masters. Example, the habitual practice of African slaves being thrown off ships in transit and subsequently drowned/murdered , so slave owners could claim insurance. THE MYTH OF IRISH SLAVERY is A LIE The tale of the Irish slaves is rooted in a false conflation of indentured servitude and chattel slavery. It is safe to say that if we knew all of history everyones ancestry has been enslaved at sometime. Their original homeland was Monaghan, where their surname is still the most common. All this purity has got to go, and the truth come out!!! For example, I am irish and my name in Irish is Aine Maire OFallanhaim, but it was Anglicized to Ann Marie Fallon by the British. The Iber inhabited Spain/Portugal which they named after themselves, the Iberian Peninsular, they were later chased out by barbarians into a new land they also named after themselves, Hibernia (Literally the land of the Hebrews) which is Ireland. As a South African, I know slavery was never just of the African people. Reblogged this on familytreegirldotcom and commented: A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. Conclusion: With regard to the article. Black (surname) Black is a surname which can be of either English, Scottish, Irish or French origin. The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. In America and even somewhat in Europe, Black skinned people enjoy a monopoly of the history slavery and its oppressive effects. Likewise, what makes all Blacks the same? And this is how blacks ended up with Irish last names. Communicating with an African would have been a completely different matter, and names would have been unpronounceable and incomprehensible to any white slave owner. Much of their strange language is left over from the Gaelic that once was spoken widely in those hills. To pick on Chloe (Admittedly, I Enjoy picking on ignorant bigots); she mentions how Whites suppressed Blacks and sites example after example and doesnt fail to continue to mention color over and over again. That meant they came here and worked their debt off and paid for their freedom. Bullshidt!!!! Were these apprentices chattel? 37% of African American men can also trace their paternal ancestors, their Y-DNA, to European men who impregnated an African American female, most probably in the context of slavery. I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened. Words are powerful, they are spells (we are spelling) the word black in middleages means pale. I will just say that both existed and as such proves that anyone who is racist and thinks they are justified in being racist is wrong because even with differences of culture, tradition and society all people are the same and we should all treat each other equally and with equal respect. It is possible that the arrival of large numbers of Irish after the famine into America, Canada, Australia, and beyond resulted in their being labeled as "black" in that they escaped from this new kind of black death. Ireland Before You Die is supported by its audience. Thus, Black people dont have anything of value for the most part. I think there is lots of information here that people should know about. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. Other names. Although Im sure a few were clever enough to rise above and assimilate overseas using their color as an advantage. Salem, Massachusetts. A great book to read is:To Hell or Barbados. (no scotch-irish has no irish blood in them at all,they are descendants of Scotland and England whom were given land in Northern Ireland by the English crown..they kicked out and burnt down real irish villages to establish their land in the north with the backing, again of the crown!!!!! The turnover would not be that high if whites treated enslaved blacks with even a modicum of kindness. By calling yourself African-American you are still claiming to come from two so-called white men. Derogatory names for immigrant groups are legion and in the case of those who left Ireland include "Shanty Irish" and almost certainly "Black Irish." II, 1656-1662. Its really amazing to see once you notice it. Or was the heaten allowed to do this in a kind of prophetic way? I think it is dishonest to compare slavery based on race with indentured servitude or slavery based on economic status or country of origin. Interesting read on the landowners and the British rule in Ireland. But have you ever wondered where it comes from? England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Share your favorite stories with other history buffs in the IrishCentral History Facebook group. Additionally, Ireland had its own religion, law code, alphabet, and even a style of dress. They fought their fellow Irishmen in the Confederate army who had similiar motivations. Is what happend to the Irish also a fulfillment of prophecy? Who where these owners? Famous OSullivans include actress Maureen OSullivan, actor Richard OSullivan, and singer Gilbert OSullivan. Schools should teach more about this stuff, because its part of a neighbouring history which may not be NOT told. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was subject to a number of influxes of foreign people. 1. However, a whopping 50 to 80 million people around the globe are thought to share in Irish ancestry. When enslaving whites/Christians became illegal in the U.S., the newly released white indentured servants became crackers/overseers and many became slave owners themselves. An indentured servant has the chance to earn their freedom, a slave does not. The Central Statistics Office regularly records Walsh as one of the most common surnames in Ireland. Irish women were forced to have black children (enslaved first in the West Indies & Monserrat), because black slaves were costly, whereas Irish slaves cheap. Black Dutch (genealogy) Black Dutch is a term with several different meanings in United States dialect and slang. However, we do know that numerous Norman invaders did settle in Ireland and integrate into Irish society. John Barry, who composed the scores for 11 James Bond films is one of the most famous people with the name Barry. African Americans where emancipated because they needed it. #DoesntAddUp. There was discrimination and stereotyping of Irish, and there were many Irish supporting the abolition movement, and later solidarity with the civil rights movement. The Scots-Irish are not Irish. Although, I recognize that the facts of this article are in dispute, with regard to the treatment of the Irish by the British Empire, knowing what I do about history, it is not entirely unlikely that much of this is true. O'Sullivan 4. In other words, the South stood more to lose. They were abused and belittled for being Irish and Catholic; they were considered worthless and heathenbut they were seen as worthless and heathen *humans*, at a time when being heathen was a much bigger deal than it is now, even while being traded as property. There is no logic in that a hybrid race slave would be any more profitable than a hard working African slave, and has no basis in historical fact. Yet, many often state that the first Celts arrived on the island of Ireland around 500 BC. Burke Thanks for trying to provide some historical fair play to the memory of Irish Slaves.). in order to be enslaved it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English, Welsh, Scots, Black, White. There are a number of Irish Surnames like Duffy that specifically refer to Black. In the 1940s what were the Jews in Germany? They always had a love-hate relationship with blacks and were quick to terrorize backs to prove their whitness. The largest number of Irish descendants reside in the United States, while in Australia, those sharing in Irish ancestry account for a higher percentage of the population than in any other country, except Ireland. The terminology is important, which has been duly noted and exaggerated on both ends of the discussion. slavery is not in the past. Salem Quarterly Court. The English Welsh and Scottish peoples all suffered by the hands of the elitist British. Nile of the nine hostages was a bit of a devil. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. Origins of the Most Common Irish Surnames and First Names. The Irish may have been treated like shit way back when, but nobody sold even one of them. But even also his own people as a mere result of the kind of things that happen when the wicked are in rule? in 1697 John Locke recommended the whipping of those who refused to work and the herding of beggars into workhouses. No, Irish were slaves and Indians were just in parts of Trinidad and Guyana that too from areas of south India. Subscribe to our mailing list and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox. In part, bigotry came into play in order to ease the conciseness of individuals who partook of the benefits of slavery. Of which you can incarnate into any body next time around. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. We are, however, disputing the numerical facts posited in this article. Baltimore was an english town, the pirates were directed to it by an Irishman (Hackett), and the english inhabitants were shipped off to North Africa. There are many variants of the name such as. Norman-Catholic gentry? There were black slave owners as well, so to say that you doubt that they were slaves because such and such was an Irish slave owner is crazy. Keeping their Irish surnames would help to differentiate the two groups. Not if the mother were a prostitute and father disappeared. African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). The fact that you refer to them as settlers is disturbing. Famous people with the surname OBrien include comedian Conan OBrien, actor Dylan OBrien, and guitarist Pat OBrien. Posting this post is perpetuating the ideology of white supremacy. IRA was very active at what time and why are you bringing terrorists into this? Reblogged this on Eccentric and Bent and commented: An African would know better. Black slaves were the alternatives because they could bear these conditions, and also knew farming techniques which they carried with them to the New World. They live as second class citizens and are called red-legs and red-necks etc by the rest of the population due to their fair skins getting burned by the sun. It is a shallow attempt and more nonsense than anything. I am in no way minimizing the African slave part of history, it is through this history of the Irish to say we can relate and understand an awful part of human history. One man and two kids made it. For those of you keen to dig a little deeper into your roots, we suggest you check out ancestry.com! I totally agree with you that all Irish were not slaves. You also havent delved into how racism could have played into how African and Irish slaves were treated. The same empire, including the Spanish and French, therefore, initiated the slave trade in North America. Even then these were primarily yes men and traitors, easily disposed of and replaced. The article highlights the horrors that happened, The extent of which is nightmarish. https://www.houseofnames.com/dudley-family-crest, Originally, this was a surname coming from Dudley in Worcestershire, England. According to Irish history, the Maguires held Fermanagh from the 13th to the 17th centuries. Many people tend come to the belief that African Blacks were the only ones in the entire world to fall victim to Slavery. The Irish are ignorant beasts of the field!!!! The traditional image of Vikings is of pale-skinned blond-haired invaders but their description as "dark foreigners" may lead us to conclude that their memory in folklore does not necessarily reflect their physical description. Africans sold Israelites. So for me. Since their skin looked like their masters skin did they benefit from any type privilege- no matter how small? The worst and qualifying factors for slavery are oppression and dehumanization. Tim the first Commodore of the Ciast Gusrd. There has been slavery of some form for as long as humans have been homosapiens. Why cant we acknowledge all the suffering that occurred without saying whose may have been more painful. It derives from the Gaelic word Ciarn, ciar meaning black, and -an being a diminutive suffix. Please advise. Wants take a guess on my choice of colors ; Brown, White, Blue, and Black . The Irish landowners where Protestant and therefore considered British. The terminology is interchangeable, while there are cetainly differences in forms of slavery to say there was none is a tad rich, unless youve been an indentured servant yourself perhaps you know the benefits? My Uncle Lon, born in the U.S. was shot in the head by the KKK in Sudbury Massachusetts back in the twenties. Forgetting the past opens the door to repeating its horrors . Murray Irish spelling: Muireadhaigh Meaning: Descendent of Muireadhaigh, a seaman. Rounding out the Top 40, here are the next 30 most common names among African-Americans and Caribbean people: Taylor (Jayceon Terrel Taylor "The Game") Wilson (Charlie Wilson) Moore (Shemar Moore) White (Barry White) Lewis (Carl Lewis) Walker (Jimmie J. J. Walker) Green (Al Green) Thompson (Kenan Thompson) Washington (Denzel Washington) Wealthy irish were Protestants who were placed there by England to control and rule the Native population. Smith 6. Dont forget modern recorded history versus older nonrecorded history or minutely recorded history. The only notable distinction is that the import/export of slaves reached a pinnacle during the colonization of the Americas era and Blacks were the main slave stock being exchanged at the time. Although they did suffer as the Africans, they were also afforded certain privileges not afforded to African slaves. Thank you for sharing the madness and anger that lives within my Irish family. http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/traditional/names/first/dudley.shtm, The name Dudley in Ireland is often of immigrant origin having been introduced into Ulster Province by settlers from England and Scotland, especially during the seventeenth century. Surname Origin: English, Scottish, Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: Browne, Braun, Broun, Breun, Bruun, Bruan, Brun, Bruene, Brohn Brown is the second most common surname among African Americans in the United States. On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black leaders officialy declared their support for the term African American. the Irish along with other white Europeans were considered Indentured ServantsIndentured Servants were those people who owed money..or inherited family debts..and could work off the debts..some of these people were brought over to do just that..after they earned their way out of debt they were free from obligationfurthermore their day to day lives while being indentured were less stringent than that of the African slave.this articles conflates the status of slave and indentured servant as being similar when they were absolutely notindentured servants actually had rights..yes they were treated miserably..but their status was far higher than that of a black man or womanfurthermore the statement that there were no Irish slave owners in the Americas is absolutely inaccurateso to infer that every black person with an Irish last name is the result of the mixing of these indenture servants who lovingly gave their last names to offspring is simply off baseand perpetuates serious misinformation. The Irish faced discrimination for being ethnically Irish and being Catholic but there was no widespread allowance to murder an indentured servant or an Irishman as there was for black slaves. Please describe discrimination that you personally face everyday? I think you should be careful in your condemnation of what you apparently arent aware of, Gaelic Catholic culture of Ireland was subjected to English Protestant Supremacy, and Penal Laws imposed by the English Parliamentarian Cromwell in his brutal conquest of Ireland saw to it that the Gaelic Catholic culture be prohibited. Im English Scandinavian Western Europe Eastern Europe, European Jew Irish my oldest ancestry comes from Africa I along with all of you are the human race we are imperfect people frail to a fault trying to make life better for each other. Well my last name is carmickle. The native Gaelic ODubhdaleithe Sept of County Cork also sometimes anglicized their name as Dudley, as well as the more usual Dowdall. My mother in law was called Shanks. When such a small society is reduced in such a short time by nearly half (during the famine) theres a whole host of socio-phycological problems that ensue, one youll be familiar with we often make light of now a days when it comes to The Irish is: alcoholism, but also extreme poverty, broken families, etc, which Im sure you can relate with as a member of the African American community in the United States am I right?